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Vilaptca · Oct 30, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

If this thread just starts to be more of page 12, then I'm just going to close this.

Karyuu · Oct 30, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Mineria

But did you think a bit about the HoM issue concerning it?

Did you think about skill capping info on the wiki making the Legendary title in that track easier to get? Why are there no arguments against that? Now instead of doing guess work, asking guildies, friends, making threads in the forum, you have a central place with all the info on where to go and what strategies to use.

nbajammer · Oct 30, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Saraphim

I do, in fact the 'Mapping Out' tool from this very forum is a joy to use. I can find out in seconds which characters need which elites, and the info is saved for me for future reference. I used to use an excel sheet to record elites before, Mapping Out is a godsend IMO.

Only have Canthan hunter so far, as I need more cash before I do the other two.

Shh Saraphim, we don't want Mapping Out to be erroneously called a cheat program!

To be truthful, both TexMod and Mapping Out are godsends, and since they run independently, they are both great assets to the community. This thread really is all about e-peen.

elektra_lucia · Oct 30, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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PS - I used photoshop after i reached 99.8%........ so i guess i cheated to. lol

No worries, you don't want to know the percentages of players in other games that have cheated one point or another... By the way, I use crystal meth every PVP game so my reactions are uber!

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To be truthful, both TexMod and Mapping Out are godsends, and since they run independently, they are both great assets to the community. This thread really is all about e-peen.

Well I could not argue for so long if it was about normal 'peen'. There'd be no competition for me!

Big_Iron · Oct 30, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

Pray tell, Gaile, exactly what is changed by TexMod? It does not modify any in-game files, so how exactly is anyone other than the user incovenienced by this program? And if a person decides to inconvenience themselves, well they'd have only themselves to blame wouldn't they?

Furthermore, if the program actually was a cheat, then explain to me this. Why, then, is there an entire page devote to it, on the OFFICIAL Wiki, with comments from Emily stating that it is okay to use but not to contact support if it breaks our game because they will not support it? To anyone reading that page, it looks like it is in fact PERMITTED by Anet to use. The OP just wants a bigger e-peen for achieving something without aids that many people used. All of them should not be punished for using a permitted program to achieve a title that only affects them and not other users, and does not change the game client in any way, shape, or form. Nor the server, either. The page in question is here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod

As others in the thread have stated, Anet has more important matters to focus on than one poster's QQ about worked harder for a title than others. Please do us all a favor and take that out of the summary. There's NO problem here, and we'd rather see time devoted to better and more useful things than this.

QFT...

Nuff said in this post. Please close.

nbajammer · Oct 30, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Torqual

When you read pages of ignorant people saying "QQ more" to your long and thought out post, it kind of makes you lose interest in continuing to post constructively yourself. I accept my error.

The discussion has most definitely run its course.

Your post is long, but not well thought out. And calling everyone ignorant who knows better, has actually used the program and knows what it does, makes you to be the sore loser here. Because of that, we know who is the one actually doing the QQ.

Torqual · Oct 30, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

My whole point was that use of the mod is widespread - check the OP.

Three types of people have posted in here:

1) Those who did the title without modifying their game client, who are also disappointed that it's been cheapened and can be achieved with 5% of the original effort needed when it was implemented into the game.

2) Those who used the mod to get their own title and take offence to me saying they got it on the cheap. Plenty of these. They are as offended by my comments as I am by their use of it to steal the title.

3) People that have little interest in the subject or knowledge about it who make a habit of entering random threads and trying to look cool by making throw away comments and putting people down.

I am quite sure that this discussion has drawn the attention to use of the mod and may even increase usage. But come on, there's a link to it on the official GW Wiki! It's well known and as I said in my OP, LGMC is the third-most maxed title you see popping up in Kamadan ... and it's evident why.

Can I also clarify that this is not an attack on the modding community. I have enjoyed some great mods in many games: RTW, CS: Source, even Kick Off 2 (bet no-one here knows what that is).

This is a very, very smart mod, a really fine piece of programming. And I would suggest that use of this mod to put someone on 99.7% out of their misery is quite a reasonable and understandable thing. I am not a grind Nazi. But using the mod to take yourself from 60% to 100% in half a day ... I'd call that ABUSE of the mod. When does a mod cross the line from time-saving to being performance-boosting? Should we give Legendary titles to people that do this? And is such use what the mod-writer intended?

zwei2stein · Oct 30, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Now, the reall concern is indeed Gaile "looking into it".

I think its safe to say that if results are unfavorable for modding community, OP is going to face some massive abuse. BTW, do we have his IGN?

elektra_lucia · Oct 30, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Would you even need the mod for 60%. I mean so much of the map is blanked from the foggy stuff ;o. Then again, no telling with some

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Torqual · Oct 30, 2007, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca

If this thread just starts to be more of page 12, then I'm just going to close this.

I never cease to be amazed how full of hate GWGuru is. So many people on here would never act like this in real life; they'd get their faces filled in within 10 seconds.

Torqual · Oct 30, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Now, the reall concern is indeed Gaile "looking into it".

I think its safe to say that if results are unfavorable for modding community, OP is going to face some massive abuse. BTW, do we have his IGN?

What the hell?

Who do YOU think YOU are? What you gonna do? Hack my PC?

See my comment above.... it's not an attack on the modding community. However maybe you should attract the attention of the moderators for the threatening overtones here?

Karyuu · Oct 30, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Torqual, there also have been many "traditionalists" posting that have never used the mod, but also stated they don't care about others using it.

elektra_lucia · Oct 30, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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I never cease to be amazed how full of hate GWGuru is. So many people on here would never act like this in real life; they'd get their faces filled in within 10 seconds.

I'm more confident in real life than online. Seriously.

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Torqual, there also have been many "traditionalists" posting that have never used the mod, but also stated they don't care about others using it.

It effects favour, and people get excited when they get the title!

Maybe I'm an animal lover?

Skuld · Oct 30, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Now, the reall concern is indeed Gaile "looking into it".

I think its safe to say that if results are unfavorable for modding community, OP is going to face some massive abuse. BTW, do we have his IGN?

What are the options?

> ANet installs spyware to detect texmod, bans accounts: (this aint gonna happen, im sure) lawsuits
> ANet makes their game incompatible with texmod (complete rewrite of architechture, not likely) people carry on using photoshop, not a massive difference
> ANet changes the cartographer title mechanics (kill all monsters in NM?), not gonna happen, too much effort for no return
Any more?

I think we can safely say that nothing is going to happen.

Fril Estelin · Oct 30, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Torqual

When does a mod cross the line from time-saving to being performance-boosting? Should we give Legendary titles to people that do this? And is such use what the mod-writer intended?

How do you think that this can be technically done? As I said before, GW and modding are two different applications, and Anet can NOT go the path of spyware to try to detect and prevent a mod (they can make the life of the modders more difficult, but surely not impossible)

So how do you prevent this from happening?

Leighwyn · Oct 30, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Torqual

My whole point was that use of the mod is widespread - check the OP.

Three types of people have posted in here:

1) Those who did the title without modifying their game client, who are also disappointed that it's been cheapened and can be achieved with 5% of the original effort needed when it was implemented into the game.

2) Those who used the mod to get their own title and take offence to me saying they got it on the cheap. Plenty of these. They are as offended by my comments as I am by their use of it to steal the title.

3) People that have little interest in the subject or knowledge about it who make a habit of entering random threads and trying to look cool by making throw away comments and putting people down.

4) Those who did the title without modifying their game client but compared to other 100% maps manually or through the assistance of a 3rd party

5) People that have both interest and vast knowledge about the subject who provide compelling counterarguments against the OP argument.

etc.

lists are only as complete as the list maker's intentions.

nbajammer · Oct 30, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Torqual

My whole point was that use of the mod is widespread - check the OP.

Three types of people have posted in here:

1) Those who did the title without modifying their game client, who are also disappointed that it's been cheapened and can be achieved with 5% of the original effort needed when it was implemented into the game.

How, exactly, is it cheapened? If I load TexMod, it shows me where to go and yet I still need to go there, scrape the wall, and hope that I'm on the RIGHT wall (since some places are on the line between zones). Since I'm still doing the same work you are, it is NOT cheapened.

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Originally Posted by Torqual

2) Those who used the mod to get their own title and take offence to me saying they got it on the cheap. Plenty of these. They are as offended by my comments as I am by their use of it to steal the title.

You're offended because you put more work into it than they did, despite their method also being permitted and not directly affecting your ability to play. That is QQ. The only person they cheated, if anyone, is themselves. And if they cheat themselves, it is by their own choice.

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Originally Posted by Torqual

3) People that have little interest in the subject or knowledge about it who make a habit of entering random threads and trying to look cool by making throw away comments and putting people down.

Which is what you've done this entire thread, accusing everyone who didnt get LGMC your way of being cheaters, liars, and the sort. Like Saraphim said earlier there may have been a topic of discussion here, but your accusations derailed any hope of that.

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Originally Posted by Torqual

I am quite sure that this discussion has drawn the attention to use of the mod and may even increase usage. But come on, there's a link to it on the official GW Wiki! It's well known and as I said in my OP, LGMC is the third-most maxed title you see popping up in Kamadan ... and it's evident why.

And do you honestly think that the mod makes it all that much easier? So the player knows where to go. Big deal. It doesn't defog for them. Learn what it does before you attack it.

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Originally Posted by Torqual

Can I also clarify that this is not an attack on the modding community. I have enjoyed some great mods in many games: RTW, CS: Source, even Kick Off 2 (bet no-one here knows what that is).

Beggars can't be choosers. Deal with the fact that it isn't cheating, or attack all mods everywhere. To enjoy mods in one game but another is being a hypocrit (sic?).

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Originally Posted by Torqual

This is a very, very smart mod, a really fine piece of programming. And I would suggest that use of this mod to put someone on 99.7% out of their misery is quite a reasonable and understandable thing. I am not a grind Nazi. But using the mod to take yourself from 60% to 100% in half a day ... I'd call that ABUSE of the mod. When does a mod cross the line from time-saving to being performance-boosting? Should we give Legendary titles to people that do this? And is such use what the mod-writer intended?

So you finally admit that the mod is a great thing. But who are you to tell me (or anyone else here) how to play their game? They abide by Anet's rules, they don't get banned. Anet has an entire page on the wiki devoted to this program and clearly state their opinion of it. Given that, you have no business telling anyone they are a cheat or a liar or anything of the sort because of their use (or lack thereof) of this mod. If they go from 60% to 100% in half a day, kudos to them! If they do it with TexMod, still kudos to them! Doubly so if in Tyria or Elona where the map is bigger. But that's not ABUSING the mod. The mod is doing exactly what it was designed to do, and if a player chooses to play that way it isnt your right to tell them not to do so.

Please, for the sake of the community accept that you are wrong and get over it.

elektra_lucia · Oct 30, 2007, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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What are the options?

> ANet installs spyware to detect texmod, bans accounts: (this aint gonna happen, im sure) lawsuits
> ANet makes their game incompatible with texmod (complete rewrite of architechture, not likely) people carry on using photoshop, not a massive difference
> ANet changes the cartographer title mechanics (kill all monsters in NM?), not gonna happen, too much effort for no return
Any more?

I think we can safely say that nothing is going to happen.

Therefore the reason that an 'official wiki' page says the program is some what allowed? Although, I have never used texmod. What exactly is it, dll files or what? It's easy to ban dll files.

Savio · Oct 30, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Torqual

1) Those who did the title without modifying their game client, who don't care if others use a mod.

Fixed.

One point I'd like to bring up: for Cartography guides/mods to be useful, "traditional" GMCs had to contribute to them. Now why would those GMCs object to people using the guides or mods?

nbajammer · Oct 30, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Therefore the reason that an 'official wiki' page says the program is some what allowed? Although, I have never used texmod. What exactly is it, dll files or what? It's easy to ban dll files.

Nothing more than an executable and a text file. You load .tpf files into the Executable and then tell it which .exe to load (in GW's case, Gw.exe).